spark of controversy
February 28th, 2008 | by Betmo | Published in 08 Elections, Human Rights | 5 Comments
in the interest of disclosure, i am going to go on record as saying- i am a white woman, mid-thirties who has lived predominately in rural and semi-rural settings my entire life. i have never been a part of any organization and, indeed, have more of the go-it-alone sentiment over grouping together. alright, i guess i grew up thinking- if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. so- with that in mind- i am completely out of my understanding or depth with tackling this topic i am about to throw out there. i am not a person of color and i am not a feminist. consequently, i know next to nothing about either. i guess it’s rather simplistic of me to say i am a humanist- i try to see people as people regardless of race or gender. now, that doesn’t mean i always succeed. societal implants are hard to change when you have lived them for 36 years- but i am trying.
as i have said before, i attempt to learn from folks- and tooling around the blogosphere- i get to learn quite a bit.
i really feel that we have to challenge ourselves to think outside of ourselves once in awhile- and if these last 8 years plus haven’t done that- well, you must be a neo con. yes, that was snarky. this particular democratic primary has raised some important topics that we need to be having as a society- and as a planet really. i recently finished national geographic’s february issue- and the article on the ‘black pharaohs‘ got me thinking. the article basically said that in the ancient world, there wasn’t racism per se.
“The ancient world was devoid of racism. At the time of Piye’s historic conquest, the fact that his skin was dark was irrelevant. Artwork from ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome shows a clear awareness of racial features and skin tone, but there is little evidence that darker skin was seen as a sign of inferiority. Only after the European powers colonized Africa in the 19th century did Western scholars pay attention to the color of the Nubians’ skin, to uncharitable effect.”
whether it is entirely accurate is, i suppose, debatable- but it made me a bit sad too. i began to think about the fact that millions of folks here in america were without a history and a sense of connection that we with european ancestry take for granted. but then i thought- holy crap! what if the folks who are actually living in the land of their ancestors have been robbed of a history too- by colonization; by dictatorship; by greed. the clinton/obama matchup shouldn’t be about race and gender- but it is to many. it is about who is best to lead us through the upcoming dark times ahead- but is being reduced to who has had it worse- women or black men. that’s a shame. there are bigger issues to focus on in the fight for civil liberties for all- and this is where things got really eye opening for me.
there are millions of ‘feminists’ out there- and there are millions of people struggling every day against racism and discrimination- all over america and the globe. to me- it was a no brainer- these folks have a common cause- they must be working together. yeah. color me surprised to find out that many of these groups exclude lgbt folks and non white folks. yeah. i was naive to think that gloria steinem ‘got it’- because to me- the 1960’s was before i was born- so i didn’t realize that not all of those chicks i thought were fighting for me- were really fighting for their own agenda. whose rights are they fighting for exactly? white women’s apparently. now, this is where white folks get defensive and claim that they aren’t like that and they feel kinship and sisterhood and whatever- with everyone. strains of kumbaya. but the biggest complaint i have heard from the various lgbt blogs and women of color blogs- independent of each other- is- you can join up for sure- as long as you understand the hierarchy. you don’t challenge the status quo of the sisterhood. white women get to feel good about themselves- or you get shown the door. that’s oversimplified of course- but it is the biggest issue i have seen- but please share if you have others.
“What I do agree with is that we ought to be in coalition. But I think we’ve got to be in coalition on fair grounds. Part of what, again, has been sort of an anxiety for African American women feminists like myself is that we’re often asked to join up with white women’s feminism, but only on their own terms, as long as we sort of remain silent about the ways in which our gender, our class, our sexual identity doesn’t intersect, as long as we can be quiet about those things and join onto a single agenda. So, yes, I absolutely agree, we must be in coalition, but it must be a fair coalition of equals.”
melissa harris-lacewell
my biggest issue lately with the white feminists anyway- voting for clinton along gender lines. it really, really steams me. instead of looking at her for her platform and behaviour- they steadfastly defend her to the last woman. i won’t link to the particular blog i am thinking of- simply because it is so typical of what i read- and i know that the mind would not be changed but the heel dug in deeper. trust me- i have challenged this person. you think fundie christians are bad- try dislodging feminist loyalty to gender. recently, a group of feminists put out an open letter designed to get people aware and to join the fight to improve women’s rights globally. i think it’s a noble cause. certainly, there are places in the world where women’s lives are more at stake daily than here in america. no amount of useless photo ops are going to change that anytime soon. it is our duty as women to help lift other women up and to help protect, not only their rights, but their lives. but it should be a group effort- not along color or sexual lines. until we get our own house in order, we will not be successful building coalitions globally. if ‘white is right’ is the attitude, good luck building unity with women in africa or the middle east or southeast asia. those women are strong and proud- and we are not out to re-colonize them. we are allegedly trying to help them by supporting them. can we do it?
the nation- morning in america- a letter from feminists on the election
for the real feminst movement- check out- hbo’s iron jawed angels
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February 28th, 2008at 9:21 am(#)
You don’t have to be a conservotard to be utterly frigging stupid. The Naderites are already starting their BS again, in spite of their boy being a 100% owned bitch of the RNC.
Dogmatists are stupid, whatever their flavor.
February 28th, 2008at 5:05 pm(#)
The subject is controversial Betmo, no lie there.
You have laid out your argument well, and I agree with you. I can ‘pass’ for white, but I identify with brown people. There is historical context to why that is, which I won’t go into here.
That said, I am well aware of the ‘white power’ issue within the feminist society, and I have been since day one. I AM old enough to remember the beginning of feminism, and to have lived it. I have always tried to be upfront with people when it comes to my nationality or whatever the fuck it’s called now a days..but there are times when people assumed I was white and promptly stepped in shit up to their knees when they opened their pieholes.
Depending on the situation, I either let them have it with both barrels or I gently informed them of my brown-ness, watching their eyes bug out of their sockets and they commenced to stammer and stutter and explain what they ‘really’ meant.
I knew what they meant..they said something racist and once that escaped from their lips, they couldn’t pull it back no matter how fucking hard they tried to ‘fix’ it.
So yes, racism does exist within the feminist community. And that’s pretty fucked up because as you say..we should all be working for the same things..human rights.
February 28th, 2008at 6:35 pm(#)
I went to a local Woman’s activist group that held a meeting based on the topic of *Hillary*. I’ll tell you up front, I have been long term *not a Hillary fan*, but I went to the meeting because I really respect the group- lots of retired pros, League of Woman Voters & bright minds– I wanted to hear what they had to say & test the waters of what was going on in other female voters minds. I did hear some drivel about *first woman president*, and even a generic, Woman tend to vote for things women share in common, on social/care issues. But I said I can & will not vote for a person based on gender alone. I care about their voting record. The record is the bottom line for me- regardless of whatever sound bites they throw out at the poduim while the cameras are rolling. How did ya vote? In Clinton’s case it was yes for war & then yes for the Kyl- Lieberman Iran war bill. Those two items are a huge red flag for me. Even if the first iraq war vote was based on bad information, what justification was there for voting yes again, based on NO information or, once again bad information. When a million people die based on bad information, at the very least a lesson could or should have been learned to damned well do your homework before engaging. Besides other overtones of entrenched, corrupt insider, and fitting nicely in the spineless dem category, I can;t support her.
As for the factioning of feminists~ I think it is a multifaceted issue- not just between color, race, and sexual orientation– but I’ll throw in socio economic circumstance as well. A middle to upper class feminist might be fighting for equal wages, a low income feminist might be struggling to pay a winter heating bill & medical costs. Spread it across the globe– women in Africa may see the AIDS issue, and just getting safe drinking water as a main priority. But even within the borders of one country, the spectrum of one group vs another could have wildly varying interests. I see it in peace groups too. Our town has about 10 different groups, occasionally they work together, but they have different approaches, and focuses, and styles of operation. Essentially the peace groups don’t get along. It’s not surprising the feminist groups don’t either, but to have it faction down & weaken the movement overall is too bad. Is it blinders of only wanting to address their own regional/personal issues, or is it indifference & failure to acknowledge & respect & include other Sister’s issues?
February 28th, 2008at 7:37 pm(#)
fran- i can’t speak to knowing because i don’t consider myself a feminist- and i don’t do groups. i don’t like crowds and i loathe stupidity. putting both in the same room with me makes me very cranky. all i know- the white feminists i have come into contact with so far on the internet- pretty focused on hillary’s campaign right now- and policing the net for misogyny. both are no win situations. the women of color and/or lgbt ladies pretty much have the same complaint- the white chicks are not overly welcoming unless they adhere to the ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ let’s all be friends and not muddy the waters approach. the idea that women are any more inclusive than men in this country- has pretty well been debunked in my mind. if any uncomfortable subject is broached- instant defensive mode! it’s unfortunate for many reasons- one of the bigger ones being- the neo cons aren’t going away- and folks of color would be powerful allies.
February 28th, 2008at 10:33 pm(#)
Socio-economic is a big one too, thanks Fran!