Comments on: sticking with gardening http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."-Teddy Roosevelt Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:52:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: betmo http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4315 betmo Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:10:49 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4315 no- i have always been betmo- and feel free to check out my site- i actually crossposted this post- so you can skip this one. http://betblue.blogspot.com i think that we have to be both- offensive in preparing our households for the impending changes that are being brought about- and will happen- due to economic collapse, food and water shortages and high unemployment. those things are not going to get better. i used to defend the constitution like nobody's business- until i realized that it isn't really there anymore. through the patriot act and the military commissions act- we now have a surveilled police state. like it or not- it is happening. we have para military police officers now and mercenaries in place of the national guards. we have 'fema' camps in this country and privatized prisons that hold illegal aleins and americans alike in them right now. we have an administration that has stolen taxpayer's money through an illegal war and funneled it into war profiteering contractor's pockets. we are already seeing food prices go up and there is a wheat shortage which will drive staple foods such as cereal, bread and pasta prices sky high- due to the stupidity of growing ethanol- which is not sustainable or viable everywhere as an alternative fuel. there are already water wars in this country and all over the globe- and when 7 billion people start having hardships- they are going to go to the place with the most resources- which will probably be here. all of this info is easily checked out- it has been in the news and msm. the un has issues several reports. that's why i am pressing hard for refocusing our attentions. i am not an anarchist and i don't use the 'r' word because of the government reading emails, blogs and snail mail. i will say that i believe in the founding fathers courage and vision and that if had one wish- it would be to see this country restored to the rule of law and not of man. no- i have always been betmo- and feel free to check out my site- i actually crossposted this post- so you can skip this one.

http://betblue.blogspot.com

i think that we have to be both- offensive in preparing our households for the impending changes that are being brought about- and will happen- due to economic collapse, food and water shortages and high unemployment. those things are not going to get better. i used to defend the constitution like nobody’s business- until i realized that it isn’t really there anymore.

through the patriot act and the military commissions act- we now have a surveilled police state. like it or not- it is happening. we have para military police officers now and mercenaries in place of the national guards. we have ‘fema’ camps in this country and privatized prisons that hold illegal aleins and americans alike in them right now. we have an administration that has stolen taxpayer’s money through an illegal war and funneled it into war profiteering contractor’s pockets. we are already seeing food prices go up and there is a wheat shortage which will drive staple foods such as cereal, bread and pasta prices sky high- due to the stupidity of growing ethanol- which is not sustainable or viable everywhere as an alternative fuel. there are already water wars in this country and all over the globe- and when 7 billion people start having hardships- they are going to go to the place with the most resources- which will probably be here.

all of this info is easily checked out- it has been in the news and msm. the un has issues several reports. that’s why i am pressing hard for refocusing our attentions. i am not an anarchist and i don’t use the ‘r’ word because of the government reading emails, blogs and snail mail. i will say that i believe in the founding fathers courage and vision and that if had one wish- it would be to see this country restored to the rule of law and not of man.

]]> By: Praetorone http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4314 Praetorone Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:28:53 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4314 Actually, I have to disagree with you on that one Shakti. Betmo sounds more defensive than aggressively offensive. I didn't hear her calling for open violence and the eradication of leaders. Let's not read into the situation what isn't there. Actually, I have to disagree with you on that one Shakti. Betmo sounds more defensive than aggressively offensive. I didn’t hear her calling for open violence and the eradication of leaders. Let’s not read into the situation what isn’t there.

]]> By: Shakti http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4313 Shakti Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:13:04 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4313 Betmo, did you by any chance change your name from Hangman Elite and migrate here from the Blue Republic? If not I think the two of you might have the basis or a very interesting relationship. Betmo, did you by any chance change your name from Hangman Elite and migrate here from the Blue Republic? If not I think the two of you might have the basis or a very interesting relationship.

]]> By: Dusty http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4312 Dusty Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:00:24 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4312 Sweet Pea, as for my pov..you must remember I cut my teeth during the Vietnam War Protests. I took part in the protest which culminated with the bombing of the Bank of America in Isla Vista..and I wasnt' even an adult yet. I have seen this shit before..just not as bad as BushCo. So that colors my pov ALOT. ;) Sweet Pea, as for my pov..you must remember I cut my teeth during the Vietnam War Protests. I took part in the protest which culminated with the bombing of the Bank of America in Isla Vista..and I wasnt’ even an adult yet.

I have seen this shit before..just not as bad as BushCo.

So that colors my pov ALOT. ;)

]]> By: betmo http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4311 betmo Tue, 25 Mar 2008 03:00:00 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4311 wow, i didn't realize this post was 1) going to garner as much attention as it has and 2) be as wildly unpopular as it is. we can believe in the science as much as we want- that hasn't translated into any political reform- and as much as i despise bushco- folks knew about this issue way back in the 1970's and buried the reports. so we have had 30+ years or so to have had anyone with enough ass behind them to fight for a different way of doing things across the board. i don't look for this election to save us- and it isn't that i advocate doing absolutely nothing- i am simply saying that folks need to be realistic and put their energies where they will do the most good. if you all think it's raging against the machine- then that's the most productive thing for you. i am going to learn self sufficiency- and how to shoot a gun. wow, i didn’t realize this post was 1) going to garner as much attention as it has and 2) be as wildly unpopular as it is. we can believe in the science as much as we want- that hasn’t translated into any political reform- and as much as i despise bushco- folks knew about this issue way back in the 1970’s and buried the reports. so we have had 30+ years or so to have had anyone with enough ass behind them to fight for a different way of doing things across the board. i don’t look for this election to save us- and it isn’t that i advocate doing absolutely nothing- i am simply saying that folks need to be realistic and put their energies where they will do the most good. if you all think it’s raging against the machine- then that’s the most productive thing for you. i am going to learn self sufficiency- and how to shoot a gun.

]]> By: SweetPea http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4310 SweetPea Tue, 25 Mar 2008 02:24:43 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4310 My god this is the flip side of the Christian Right--God's going to destroy the world anyhow so why bother fixing anything. Only the flip side says "Everything is doomed anyhow so let's have a survivalist war." Both are extremes and should be avoided like the plague. Rather I move we put our trust in scientific research and political reform and get things back on track. In the process we don't take any shit. If the GOP wants a political street fight we give them one. My god this is the flip side of the Christian Right–God’s going to destroy the world anyhow so why bother fixing anything. Only the flip side says “Everything is doomed anyhow so let’s have a survivalist war.” Both are extremes and should be avoided like the plague. Rather I move we put our trust in scientific research and political reform and get things back on track. In the process we don’t take any shit. If the GOP wants a political street fight we give them one.

]]> By: betmo http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4309 betmo Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:04:49 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4309 no- not lie down and take it or die- but we have to look at the reality of our lives irrevocably changed. our way of life is gone forever- even if we wanted it back- we can't have it. i think we do have to fight for our survival but the time for high minded goals is past. we are going to be in the fight of our lives to keep what is ours against people who are going to be desperate. how we prepare for that will determine our fate. i just think that we have look towards survivalist tools in a fast changing global climate- economically, and with our basic necessities. i only speak for myself- and for me- i am trying to learn as much as i can- crash course- in pioneer living. no- not lie down and take it or die- but we have to look at the reality of our lives irrevocably changed. our way of life is gone forever- even if we wanted it back- we can’t have it. i think we do have to fight for our survival but the time for high minded goals is past. we are going to be in the fight of our lives to keep what is ours against people who are going to be desperate. how we prepare for that will determine our fate. i just think that we have look towards survivalist tools in a fast changing global climate- economically, and with our basic necessities. i only speak for myself- and for me- i am trying to learn as much as i can- crash course- in pioneer living.

]]> By: Dusty http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4305 Dusty Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:48:49 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4305 We can't be pacifists..we have to slam them just has hard as they slam us..the rightwing extremists are going to kill off this country if we don't stand together and fight them tooth and nail. Rolling over or turning the other cheek is not acceptable. We can’t be pacifists..we have to slam them just has hard as they slam us..the rightwing extremists are going to kill off this country if we don’t stand together and fight them tooth and nail.

Rolling over or turning the other cheek is not acceptable.

]]> By: Praetorone http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4304 Praetorone Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:23:40 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4304 Then we're on the same page. As I see it we're at that delicate phase where the Nazis were struggling to tear down the Wiemar Republic. Yes, the Fuhrer was selected by the Supreme Court as Hitler was selected by president Hindenburg. but the modern day Nazis/Republicans don't have a clear majority in the Reichstag/Congress but they're trying hard to regain that position. Ideally we need to look back and look at what Hitler's opponents failed to do and then extrapolate the proper lessons . I'm more inclined to you on matters of policy. In so many ways Bush Inc has emulated the a bizarre combination of the policies that were promoted by Hitler's Germany and Mussolini's Italy. God knows we've hammered those issues to death in THE FOURTEEN CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM. It's bad but not irreversible. I'm not saying it will be easy. But I truly believe that hard work and a willingness to counter harsh rhetoric with harsh rhetoric--not rolling over and playing dead--can be instrumental in taking back our country. Speak truth to power and don't be wimpish about it. Then we’re on the same page. As I see it we’re at that delicate phase where the Nazis were struggling to tear down the Wiemar Republic. Yes, the Fuhrer was selected by the Supreme Court as Hitler was selected by president Hindenburg. but the modern day Nazis/Republicans don’t have a clear majority in the Reichstag/Congress but they’re trying hard to regain that position.

Ideally we need to look back and look at what Hitler’s opponents failed to do and then extrapolate the proper lessons .

I’m more inclined to you on matters of policy. In so many ways Bush Inc has emulated the a bizarre combination of the policies that were promoted by Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy. God knows we’ve hammered those issues to death in THE FOURTEEN CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM. It’s bad but not irreversible.

I’m not saying it will be easy. But I truly believe that hard work and a willingness to counter harsh rhetoric with harsh rhetoric–not rolling over and playing dead–can be instrumental in taking back our country. Speak truth to power and don’t be wimpish about it.

]]> By: betmo http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4303 betmo Mon, 24 Mar 2008 21:57:48 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/03/24/sticking-with-gardening/#comment-4303 "We need to give up our delusional distractions and entertainments and get on with the business of figuring out how we are going to adapt to the coming world changes. That is the change we can do and the key to our survival. This is a process in itself and not a destination. Adaption requires us to be flexible to the changes coming our way and to abandon all of those things that have brought us to this point." survival acres blog it isn't that i want folks to abandon hope- i just want folks to take that energy and put it what will make the most difference. the reality is- we are already in dictatorship- but the facade is still up that we have a democracy. the election process is a distraction- do we really need a full year of primaries when the gop already has their nominee and our 12 or so nominees whittled themselves down to 3 BEFORE the primaries started. i am not saying curl up in the fetal position and die- i am simply saying that all of the protests in this country and abroad didn't sway the decision to launch an illegal war. all of the lies and corruption hasn't resulted in any accountability. globilization has enabled the corporatocracy to now run the entire planet- and we have to learn how to survive- or die. our economy is tanking- there are currently grain shortages around the world- and in many places at this moment- we have drought and water shortages. there are rolling blackouts due to the droughts and there is a fear about what nuclear energy we do have- because the plants need water. we need to be aware of these realities. we need to become as self sufficient as possible. we need to learn to defend what we will have because millions of people on this planet will be wanting what we have. and this government won't care one whit. changing the face in front of the camera changes nothing. my aim is not to make folks depressed- but to make them aware so that there is time to prepare. folks will either listen or not. “We need to give up our delusional distractions and entertainments and get on with the business of figuring out how we are going to adapt to the coming world changes. That is the change we can do and the key to our survival. This is a process in itself and not a destination. Adaption requires us to be flexible to the changes coming our way and to abandon all of those things that have brought us to this point.” survival acres blog

it isn’t that i want folks to abandon hope- i just want folks to take that energy and put it what will make the most difference. the reality is- we are already in dictatorship- but the facade is still up that we have a democracy. the election process is a distraction- do we really need a full year of primaries when the gop already has their nominee and our 12 or so nominees whittled themselves down to 3 BEFORE the primaries started. i am not saying curl up in the fetal position and die- i am simply saying that all of the protests in this country and abroad didn’t sway the decision to launch an illegal war. all of the lies and corruption hasn’t resulted in any accountability. globilization has enabled the corporatocracy to now run the entire planet- and we have to learn how to survive- or die. our economy is tanking- there are currently grain shortages around the world- and in many places at this moment- we have drought and water shortages. there are rolling blackouts due to the droughts and there is a fear about what nuclear energy we do have- because the plants need water.

we need to be aware of these realities. we need to become as self sufficient as possible. we need to learn to defend what we will have because millions of people on this planet will be wanting what we have. and this government won’t care one whit. changing the face in front of the camera changes nothing. my aim is not to make folks depressed- but to make them aware so that there is time to prepare. folks will either listen or not.

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