Comments on: A Letter for The New Yorker http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."-Teddy Roosevelt Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:47:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: thepoetryman http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6904 thepoetryman Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:43:24 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6904 The joke is on us, we the people... We are being lampooned by The New Yorker. The joke is on us, we the people… We are being lampooned by The New Yorker.

]]> By: enigma4ever http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6893 enigma4ever Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:42:19 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6893 Trog69::: I hear you.....and I wish that they had posted it with the Article ( I think Dusty suggested that) it would have been much better all the way round...and it would have shed some light on the enormity of the combined lies and the effect...and yes, Blitt certainly did manage to capture ALL of the lies in one painting,...no doubt about that.... thanks for reading...and giving me more to think on.... ***************** Another Perspective:::: I did talk to my neighbor-78, retired teacher...black...well read...and she sadly did agree with my letter, she said she will never buy New Yorker again...for her she said that she feels like the Media can do what ever they want to Obama, for her a woman of age and black she was most upset" what they did to Michelle"....for her it is about "respect".... *************** but thank you again.... Trog69:::
I hear you…..and I wish that they had posted it with the Article ( I think Dusty suggested that) it would have been much better all the way round…and it would have shed some light on the enormity of the combined lies and the effect…and yes, Blitt certainly did manage to capture ALL of the lies in one painting,…no doubt about that….

thanks for reading…and giving me more to think on….

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Another Perspective::::
I did talk to my neighbor-78, retired teacher…black…well read…and she sadly did agree with my letter, she said she will never buy New Yorker again…for her she said that she feels like the Media can do what ever they want to Obama, for her a woman of age and black she was most upset” what they did to Michelle”….for her it is about “respect”….

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but thank you again….

]]> By: trog69 http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6892 trog69 Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:29:51 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6892 Enigma4ever, I understand your revulsion to the cover, as at first I thought the same. As the immediate response to it was seen, I also saw a similar apologist position, which makes this a beautiful thing. The reality is that those many Americans who remain confused about the Obamas would never have read the article within the New Yorker; Hell, not too many will bother now. So the explanations that have been broadcast, are amplified by the interest in the cover, thus forcing at least some of the "lost causes" to see how they've been misled by those awful e-mails and bigoted gossips. Just looking at the cover might give pause to anyone that believes one of those lies portrayed, and instead see how ridiculous all of them together really are. Finally, it's really a good rendition of them both with all the crap in one place. Kudos to the artist. Enigma4ever, I understand your revulsion to the cover, as at first I thought the same. As the immediate response to it was seen, I also saw a similar apologist position, which makes this a beautiful thing. The reality is that those many Americans who remain confused about the Obamas would never have read the article within the New Yorker; Hell, not too many will bother now. So the explanations that have been broadcast, are amplified by the interest in the cover, thus forcing at least some of the “lost causes” to see how they’ve been misled by those awful e-mails and bigoted gossips. Just looking at the cover might give pause to anyone that believes one of those lies portrayed, and instead see how ridiculous all of them together really are.

Finally, it’s really a good rendition of them both with all the crap in one place. Kudos to the artist.

]]> By: enigma4ever http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6890 enigma4ever Thu, 17 Jul 2008 00:01:44 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6890 Thanks Big Fella for the interesting link...I think we all have different views on this- I said mostly how I feel above....but I have been reading other's posts on it Diva's post is really interesting too- I think for the Intellectual folks it is easy to see it in a whole different light...and for some of us we are worried about the bigger picture.... Either way it will pass in no time....because let's be real...by Friday Captain Dumass King George will do something to distract us with something else....sigh... good to hear from you.... Thanks Big Fella for the interesting link…I think we all have different views on this- I said mostly how I feel above….but I have been reading other’s posts on it Diva’s post is really interesting too- I think for the Intellectual folks it is easy to see it in a whole different light…and for some of us we are worried about the bigger picture….

Either way it will pass in no time….because let’s be real…by Friday Captain Dumass King George will do something to distract us with something else….sigh…

good to hear from you….

]]> By: Big Fella http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6888 Big Fella Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:51:41 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6888 I think a lot of folks are overreacting to this issue and making much ado about nothing. There are always going to be intellectually challenged people that might take the wrong message from the cover cartoon, however, they are in the minority, and are no threat to the Obama campaign or the values expressed by those of us on the progressive side of the spectrum. These are the same people who take as Gospel any crap spewed by a Bill-O or an Anne Coulter, not "net new" right wing wackos. Russ Smith, a conservative Republican, ironically has it right in his piece titled "Fear and Fretting on the Campaign Trail" in the <b><i>Wall Street Journal</i></b> today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121616729468456255.html Big Fellas last blog post..<a href="http://thebfdblog.com/2008/07/12/nice-work-jesse/" rel="nofollow">Nice Work Jesse</a> I think a lot of folks are overreacting to this issue and making much ado about nothing. There are always going to be intellectually challenged people that might take the wrong message from the cover cartoon, however, they are in the minority, and are no threat to the Obama campaign or the values expressed by those of us on the progressive side of the spectrum. These are the same people who take as Gospel any crap spewed by a Bill-O or an Anne Coulter, not “net new” right wing wackos.

Russ Smith, a conservative Republican, ironically has it right in his piece titled “Fear and Fretting on the Campaign Trail” in the Wall Street Journal today: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121616729468456255.html

Big Fellas last blog post..Nice Work Jesse

]]> By: enigma4ever http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6887 enigma4ever Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:36:25 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6887 Dusty:: Hussein is like Smith ....LOL...I wished I had thought to say that...damn... ( I thought Hussein is "Handsome" and Barack is" Blessed" were good enuf.....not).... thanks for talking about it... Dusty::
Hussein is like Smith ….LOL…I wished I had thought to say that…damn…

( I thought Hussein is “Handsome” and Barack is” Blessed” were good enuf…..not)….

thanks for talking about it…

]]> By: enigma4ever http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6886 enigma4ever Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:33:32 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6886 Dialogue is fine anytime...as long as we all keep talking...that is what matters... (to be honest I sent off my letter, and have not thought much more on it).. ....and atleast all of us thought about it...and we are STILL Thinking....that is all that matters...if we can not think or talk we are beyond screwed...( that means we are sitting watching FOX and drool is forming puddles on the floor .....) I guess on another level - we have so many Important issues going on...and soon we all will have to go get Flintstone cars, grow our own Vegis, and buy a goat for milk...so One Lowly cover is Nothing compared to what we are coping with..... Dialogue is fine anytime…as long as we all keep talking…that is what matters…

(to be honest I sent off my letter, and have not thought much more on it)..

….and atleast all of us thought about it…and we are STILL Thinking….that is all that matters…if we can not think or talk we are beyond screwed…( that means we are sitting watching FOX and drool is forming puddles on the floor …..)

I guess on another level - we have so many Important issues going on…and soon we all will have to go get Flintstone cars, grow our own Vegis, and buy a goat for milk…so One Lowly cover is Nothing compared to what we are coping with…..

]]> By: Dusty http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6884 Dusty Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:42:29 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6884 Enigma, it crossed no lines in my view. Its much ado about nothing. You and those of you that are all upset by the graphic have now walked a mile in the shoes of most Neocons and/or rightwingers that are constantly the butt of jokes, satirized and just generally made fun of by we on the left. The graphic was made up of all the ridiculous things that people accuse the Obama's of believing and being..yes it was satire and actually it was aimed, I think, at the idiots who believe all the bullshit. Yes we won't agree on this issue because I thought it was well done and I 'got' it. It will do no harm to Obama amongst thinking folks and he himself ignored it by saying he had no comment. His surrogates all got up in arms about it. If people are that clueless that they still believe he is a Muslim, or whatever...you are not going to reach them no matter how many times you bang your head against the wall trying to explain it to them. They are willingly obtuse for a reason..they either don't like his 'blackness' or they don't trust him because of his name..which really cracks me up..whats a name? Hussien is like Smith for crying out loud! The willfully ignorant will believe what they want to believe. Meanwhile the folks that read and watch the news, even the shitty evening news on CBS, NBC and ABC are now aware of this cover and what they were trying to represent. If it created a dialogue, that is a good thing isn't it? Enigma, it crossed no lines in my view. Its much ado about nothing.

You and those of you that are all upset by the graphic have now walked a mile in the shoes of most Neocons and/or rightwingers that are constantly the butt of jokes, satirized and just generally made fun of by we on the left.

The graphic was made up of all the ridiculous things that people accuse the Obama’s of believing and being..yes it was satire and actually it was aimed, I think, at the idiots who believe all the bullshit.

Yes we won’t agree on this issue because I thought it was well done and I ‘got’ it. It will do no harm to Obama amongst thinking folks and he himself ignored it by saying he had no comment. His surrogates all got up in arms about it.

If people are that clueless that they still believe he is a Muslim, or whatever…you are not going to reach them no matter how many times you bang your head against the wall trying to explain it to them. They are willingly obtuse for a reason..they either don’t like his ‘blackness’ or they don’t trust him because of his name..which really cracks me up..whats a name? Hussien is like Smith for crying out loud!

The willfully ignorant will believe what they want to believe. Meanwhile the folks that read and watch the news, even the shitty evening news on CBS, NBC and ABC are now aware of this cover and what they were trying to represent.

If it created a dialogue, that is a good thing isn’t it?

]]> By: enigma4ever http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6880 enigma4ever Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:00:28 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6880 First off I am not freaking out...I am just pissed off by it....and alot of my neighbors are too...it crossed a line....Believe I still do indeed have a sense of humor..and when things are funny or there is good satire- I am there....but and it is a BIG But, because of the times we live in....and what we have lived through ( including massive dangerous criminal ignorance that was fed by hate and fearmongering and more ignorance) Lampooning a Strong Democtatic Contender , the first Person of Color to ever get this far.....to Lampoon him and his wife using Terra-mongering and Racial Slurring....I don't see the Humor...and I don't think they deserve a pass on their lack of respect either..... We could all look the other way and try to say it is just a Bad Joke or poorly done or poorly timed..... Ironically, they did not claim it was a Lampoon - they claim it was merely satire...it wasn't. IF it was just satire....it would have mocked the people that BELIEVE the LIES, not the Victims of the Lies.... ( and yes, I do think that it was cruel ....no one has said how awful Michelle was portrayed....and she can say Nothing- or then she will be portrayed as the Angry Black Woman - and they KNEW that when they did the Cover....) If anyone considered it humorous- that is fine...but as Someone that writes and reads...and had thought that The New Yorker tries to educate...and has some journalistic integrity it was a huge dissappointment.....I have read that mag since I was eleven... On another note....living in an area that when I went doorbelling for Obama- it was amazing to have to teach People he is NOT a Terraist , because of his name- and he is not a Muslim...and nothing was funny about it....it was disheartening and concerning... but Dusty... we just disagree....that is fine...no worries....it is just a Cover... First off I am not freaking out…I am just pissed off by it….and alot of my neighbors are too…it crossed a line….Believe I still do indeed have a sense of humor..and when things are funny or there is good satire- I am there….but and it is a BIG But, because of the times we live in….and what we have lived through ( including massive dangerous criminal ignorance that was fed by hate and fearmongering and more ignorance) Lampooning a Strong Democtatic Contender , the first Person of Color to ever get this far…..to Lampoon him and his wife using Terra-mongering and Racial Slurring….I don’t see the Humor…and I don’t think they deserve a pass on their lack of respect either…..

We could all look the other way and try to say it is just a Bad Joke or poorly done or poorly timed…..

Ironically, they did not claim it was a Lampoon - they claim it was merely satire…it wasn’t. IF it was just satire….it would have mocked the people that BELIEVE the LIES, not the Victims of the Lies….

( and yes, I do think that it was cruel ….no one has said how awful Michelle was portrayed….and she can say Nothing- or then she will be portrayed as the Angry Black Woman - and they KNEW that when they did the Cover….)

If anyone considered it humorous- that is fine…but as Someone that writes and reads…and had thought that The New Yorker tries to educate…and has some journalistic integrity it was a huge dissappointment…..I have read that mag since I was eleven…

On another note….living in an area that when I went doorbelling for Obama- it was amazing to have to teach People he is NOT a Terraist , because of his name- and he is not a Muslim…and nothing was funny about it….it was disheartening and concerning…

but Dusty…
we just disagree….that is fine…no worries….it is just a Cover…

]]> By: Dusty http://sirenschronicles.com/2008/07/16/a-letter-for-the-new-yorker/#comment-6876 Dusty Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:22:35 +0000 http://sirenschronicles.com/?p=2470#comment-6876 It is in context Enigma, perhaps it doesn't seem that way to you and everyone else that is freaking out about it..but I believe it is. There are a million photoshops out there of Bush, Cheney and every other neocon..this is no different in my opinion. We never seem to worry about context when THEY are the butt of the joke. Bush is lampooned because of who he is. You can attempt to paint it as righteous, but in reality its just another neocon that we on the left can't stand. As I said in my post about this..The New Yorker has a twofold reason for what they did..and one of those reasons is selling magazines. Personally I feel its much ado about nothing. Because the idiots that still believe Obama is a muslim wouldn't vote for him if their life depended on it anyway. It is in context Enigma, perhaps it doesn’t seem that way to you and everyone else that is freaking out about it..but I believe it is.

There are a million photoshops out there of Bush, Cheney and every other neocon..this is no different in my opinion. We never seem to worry about context when THEY are the butt of the joke.

Bush is lampooned because of who he is. You can attempt to paint it as righteous, but in reality its just another neocon that we on the left can’t stand.

As I said in my post about this..The New Yorker has a twofold reason for what they did..and one of those reasons is selling magazines.

Personally I feel its much ado about nothing. Because the idiots that still believe Obama is a muslim wouldn’t vote for him if their life depended on it anyway.

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