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		<title>By: Border Explorer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trog, now I finally understand your avatar. Yes, I&#039;m slow.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trog, now I finally understand your avatar. Yes, I&#8217;m slow.<br />
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		<title>By: Border Explorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Border Explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maggie, you&#039;re providing a wealth of info on the unions in Mexico and how they operate. Most of my info comes from what you&#039;d probably consider &quot;leftist&quot; sources. [Do you track the Mexican Solidarity Network? If you do, I wonder how you regard them.] Thus, your contributions add a helpful complementarity. I agree: Mexico lacks employment! Privitizaion is not a foregone conclusion, but does loom as more likely now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maggie, you&#8217;re providing a wealth of info on the unions in Mexico and how they operate. Most of my info comes from what you&#8217;d probably consider &#8220;leftist&#8221; sources. [Do you track the Mexican Solidarity Network? If you do, I wonder how you regard them.] Thus, your contributions add a helpful complementarity. I agree: Mexico lacks employment! Privitizaion is not a foregone conclusion, but does loom as more likely now.<br />
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		<title>By: trog69</title>
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		<dc:creator>trog69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good morning, Maggie.

As a retired union man, and one who has worked in many power plants, I take great interest in this story, especially when you so glibly pointed to the union as corrupt. Accordingly, I looked at other websites that are covering this news, and they seem to have the opposite view of what&#039;s happening. Here is one instance:

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/kristin-bricker/2009/10/military-and-federal-police-kidnap-electricians-put-them-work

If the union members are getting such a sweet deal, why are they protesting so vehemently against accepting the government&#039;s severance offer, including 22,000 retirees? Are all these workers corrupt as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning, Maggie.</p>
<p>As a retired union man, and one who has worked in many power plants, I take great interest in this story, especially when you so glibly pointed to the union as corrupt. Accordingly, I looked at other websites that are covering this news, and they seem to have the opposite view of what&#8217;s happening. Here is one instance:</p>
<p><a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/kristin-bricker/2009/10/military-and-federal-police-kidnap-electricians-put-them-work" rel="nofollow">http://narcosphere.narconews.com/notebook/kristin-bricker/2009/10/military-and-federal-police-kidnap-electricians-put-them-work</a></p>
<p>If the union members are getting such a sweet deal, why are they protesting so vehemently against accepting the government&#8217;s severance offer, including 22,000 retirees? Are all these workers corrupt as well?</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 06:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want to point out one more thing, days before the shutdown, Obrador came out and called for an inquiry  and investigation into LyFC.  Yea. I know, that didn&#039;t get much publicity up your way.

Obrador himself, back when he was rubbing shoulders with the most corrupt politiicans and Presidents of Mexico, when he was infact a PRI member, the PRI was  pulling a huge scam, and this went on into the 90&#039;s  and into the 2000&#039;s.  What they would do is subsidize taxpayer revenues into the LyFC - whose Union BTW - was completely involved in this; then the LyFC would give the money back to the PRI in the form of political contributions to keep the dinosaurs as they are called here, in power. 

It is unclear whether Obrador himself was a recipient, but he sure knew about it, and when he was forced into the corner, he had to come clean and do something, the AMLO nowadays is shattered, they certainly don&#039;t want to appear to be as bad as the rest of them.  He is no lily white.

The problem the Marxists are having now is that they are refusing to admit there was serious wrongdoing going on, and they are screaming militarization, privitazation ,anything rather than just saying you know, we screwed up and we are just as corrupt as the rest of them.

The propaganda which is coming from the extreme left is just that, propaganda.
They are not telling you that these regional workers let go are in the process of being offered not only a huge settlement, but franchises and new positions including housing.  Now, why should comparatively speaking, a handful of workers  from the corrupt  LyFC and their corrupt union have better privledges than the majority of workers in Mexico?  And why should the majority of workers in Mexico be paying subsidies to  support a few?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want to point out one more thing, days before the shutdown, Obrador came out and called for an inquiry  and investigation into LyFC.  Yea. I know, that didn&#8217;t get much publicity up your way.</p>
<p>Obrador himself, back when he was rubbing shoulders with the most corrupt politiicans and Presidents of Mexico, when he was infact a PRI member, the PRI was  pulling a huge scam, and this went on into the 90&#8217;s  and into the 2000&#8217;s.  What they would do is subsidize taxpayer revenues into the LyFC &#8211; whose Union BTW &#8211; was completely involved in this; then the LyFC would give the money back to the PRI in the form of political contributions to keep the dinosaurs as they are called here, in power. </p>
<p>It is unclear whether Obrador himself was a recipient, but he sure knew about it, and when he was forced into the corner, he had to come clean and do something, the AMLO nowadays is shattered, they certainly don&#8217;t want to appear to be as bad as the rest of them.  He is no lily white.</p>
<p>The problem the Marxists are having now is that they are refusing to admit there was serious wrongdoing going on, and they are screaming militarization, privitazation ,anything rather than just saying you know, we screwed up and we are just as corrupt as the rest of them.</p>
<p>The propaganda which is coming from the extreme left is just that, propaganda.<br />
They are not telling you that these regional workers let go are in the process of being offered not only a huge settlement, but franchises and new positions including housing.  Now, why should comparatively speaking, a handful of workers  from the corrupt  LyFC and their corrupt union have better privledges than the majority of workers in Mexico?  And why should the majority of workers in Mexico be paying subsidies to  support a few?<br />
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		<title>By: Maggie Drake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Drake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This move, to shut down LyFC goes way back to the 1980&#039;s.  Had Obrador &quot;won&quot;, the LyFC would have been shut down immediately, he would not have waited three years to do it.

Keep in mind, monopolies are rampant in Mexico, another example would be Telnor, our phone company run by Carlos Slim, one of the wealthiest men in the world.

Unlike American Unions to a degree at least, Unions in Mexico at best are nepotistic, and do not necessarily insure great benefits except to the ones on the very top.  In fact, government employees receive tremendous benefits, housing, health care, food subsidies, many many more.(Yes, the pay is shit) The two  unions - those of US and Mexico are completely different, apples and oranges.

This move does not necessarily mean that privatization is on the way, LyFC is already a PRIVATE MONOPOLY and keep in mind, it is a regional operation, not statewide or even nationwide.  The largest electric company is CFE, government run. There are no indications that the government is going to &quot;bust&quot; other unions, the teacher&#039;s union for example  although they certainly wish that the teacher union here would at least require qualification exams of teachers, which presently it does not.

In addition, LyFC has been for years receiving government subsidies which are more than the government spends on poverty programs.  More truisms regarding LyFC is that it is unproductive, inefficient and  for as small a number of people it represented, it poured billions into crooked political campaigns, everyone knows this. LyFC had to be WORSE than the breeches in PEMEX pipelines  we are constantly seeing. And as we speak, negotiations are being held to compensate the former workers.

One of the largest problems facing Mexico is to produce jobs for her people, she absolutely has to do this. By the elimination of subsidies which appear to have been going into the pockets of the elite few of LyFC, the thinking is to create small industry , and not be so reliant on foreign investors. 

It is too bad Obama has not made the same move toward Wall Street, the banks, and corporate polluters.

BTW, Baja imports gas from California.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This move, to shut down LyFC goes way back to the 1980&#8217;s.  Had Obrador &#8220;won&#8221;, the LyFC would have been shut down immediately, he would not have waited three years to do it.</p>
<p>Keep in mind, monopolies are rampant in Mexico, another example would be Telnor, our phone company run by Carlos Slim, one of the wealthiest men in the world.</p>
<p>Unlike American Unions to a degree at least, Unions in Mexico at best are nepotistic, and do not necessarily insure great benefits except to the ones on the very top.  In fact, government employees receive tremendous benefits, housing, health care, food subsidies, many many more.(Yes, the pay is shit) The two  unions &#8211; those of US and Mexico are completely different, apples and oranges.</p>
<p>This move does not necessarily mean that privatization is on the way, LyFC is already a PRIVATE MONOPOLY and keep in mind, it is a regional operation, not statewide or even nationwide.  The largest electric company is CFE, government run. There are no indications that the government is going to &#8220;bust&#8221; other unions, the teacher&#8217;s union for example  although they certainly wish that the teacher union here would at least require qualification exams of teachers, which presently it does not.</p>
<p>In addition, LyFC has been for years receiving government subsidies which are more than the government spends on poverty programs.  More truisms regarding LyFC is that it is unproductive, inefficient and  for as small a number of people it represented, it poured billions into crooked political campaigns, everyone knows this. LyFC had to be WORSE than the breeches in PEMEX pipelines  we are constantly seeing. And as we speak, negotiations are being held to compensate the former workers.</p>
<p>One of the largest problems facing Mexico is to produce jobs for her people, she absolutely has to do this. By the elimination of subsidies which appear to have been going into the pockets of the elite few of LyFC, the thinking is to create small industry , and not be so reliant on foreign investors. </p>
<p>It is too bad Obama has not made the same move toward Wall Street, the banks, and corporate polluters.</p>
<p>BTW, Baja imports gas from California.<br />
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		<title>By: trog69</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch out, BE. Polprav might be from some &lt;i&gt;masturbating bears&lt;/i&gt; cult!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watch out, BE. Polprav might be from some <i>masturbating bears</i> cult!</p>
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		<title>By: Border Explorer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Border Explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, Polprav. Would you send  a link to your use of the quote to

borderexplorer (at) gmail.com

Thanks very much.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Polprav. Would you send  a link to your use of the quote to</p>
<p>borderexplorer (at) gmail.com</p>
<p>Thanks very much.<br />
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		<title>By: Polprav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polprav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello from Russia!
Can I quote a post in your blog with the link to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello from Russia!<br />
Can I quote a post in your blog with the link to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Border Explorer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AMEN, trog69. Amen!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AMEN, trog69. Amen!<br />
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		<title>By: trog69</title>
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		<dc:creator>trog69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful thing Presidente Calderon has done for the workers. Well, the workers who will come in and work for half the pay the former union workers made. Oh how fortunate for them! 

2 years from now: Hey, how&#039;s come our electric bills are rising, even after you cut the pay in half for the workers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful thing Presidente Calderon has done for the workers. Well, the workers who will come in and work for half the pay the former union workers made. Oh how fortunate for them! </p>
<p>2 years from now: Hey, how&#8217;s come our electric bills are rising, even after you cut the pay in half for the workers?</p>
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